Tucker Carlson on whether Trump's racist: Well, everyone is

Give Tucker Carlson a prompt about racism, and he’ll run with it.

Such was the case yet again this week when the Fox News host joined YouTuber Dave Rubin to talk about President Donald Trump, racism and the Republican Party. Given Carlson’s habit of letting racism peek through his monologues, it might not surprise you to learn that the discussion got very racist.

At one point in the hourlong conversation, Carlson claimed that white Middle Americans ― whom he referred to as fat and kind of racist ― were the most downtrodden group of people in this country.

“I have greater sympathy for the lone guy who’s getting pushed around than for the group that’s pushing him around,” he said. “I feel like the least popular group in America lives in the Middle West and have kind of antiquated social attitudes, and they have very little economic power and they’re overweight and everyone hates them, and I feel like, ‘Really?’ Cause they’re Americans, actually. What is this?”

While it wasn’t initially clear that he was talking about white people specifically, Carlson reiterated he was not talking about other races.

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Tucker Carlson of the Weekly Standard during a CNN National Town Meeting on the Media discussing coverage of the White House sex scandal, Arlington, Virginia, January 28, 1998. (Photo by Richard Ellis/Getty Images)
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WASHINGTON - JUNE 4: (HOLLYWOOD REPORTER OUT)(L-R) U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, an unidentified member of his security detail, Democratic presidential candidate Reverend Al Sharpton, and CNN Crossfire host Tucker Carlson attend a CNN pre-party for the White House Radio and TV Correspondents Association annual dinner June 4, 2003 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Stefan Zaklin/Getty Images)
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CENTURY CITY, CA - JULY 8: Talk show host Tucker Carlson attends the Television Critics Association Press Tour at the Westin Century Plaza Hotel on July 8, 2004 in Century City, California. (Photo by Frederick M. Brown/Getty Images).
UNITED STATES - JULY 27: CNN's Tucker Carlson, makes a phone call in a hallway in the Fleet Center, on the night Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., was nominated as the vice presidential candidate,at Democratic National Convention 2004, in Boston. (Photo By Tom Williams/Roll Call/Getty Images)
NEW YORK - AUGUST 31: (L-R) Producer Lawrence O'Donnell, moderator Tucker Carlson and Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas take part in an Art$, Education and the 21st Century Economy panel discussion at Carolines August 31, 2004 in New York City. (Photo by Paul Hawthorne/Getty Images)
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WASHINGTON - APRIL 29: (U.S. TABS & HOLLYWOOD REPORTER OUT) Tucker Carlson and Christopher Buckley attend the Creative Coalition and The Atlantic Media Company reception April 29, 2006 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Nancy Ostertag/Getty Images)
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UNITED STATES - SEPTEMBER 01: DANCING WITH THE STARS - Tucker Carlson, MSNBC news anchor -- and often controversial -- conservative political TV pundit and columnist, rehearses partnered with professional dancer Elena Grinenko, who makes her series debut this season on ABC Television Network's 'Dancing with the Stars.' (Photo by Talley Lach/ABC via Getty Images)
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UNITED STATES - SEPTEMBER 02: Tucker Carlson, a correspondent for General Electric Co.'s MSNBC unit, speaks during Rally for the Republic, an event in support of Ron Paul, a Republican representative from Texas who lost to Senator John McCain of Arizona in winning the Republican presidential nomination, at the Target Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S., on Tuesday, Sept. 2, 2008. The protest convention was held on day two of the Republican National Convention (RNC), which took place in nearby St. Paul. (Photo by Keith Bedford/Bloomberg via Getty Images)
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NEW YORK, NY - DECEMBER 4: FOX News meteorologist Rick Reichmuth (L) and FOX & Friends Weekend co-host Tucker Carlson attend 'FOX & Friends Christmas Special' 2013 at FOX Studios on December 4, 2013 in New York City. (Photo by Rob Kim/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - OCTOBER 31: (L-R) 'FOX & Friends' co-hosts Steve Doocy as Captain America, Kimberly Guilfoyle as Wonder Woman, Tucker Carlson as The Incredible Hulk and Maria Molina as Bat Girl attend 'FOX & Friends'' 2014 Halloween Celebration at FOX Plaza on October 31, 2014 in New York City. (Photo by Slaven Vlasic/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - APRIL 02: (L-R) Tucker Carlson, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, actress Bella Thorne and Brian Kilmeade pose onstage during 'Fox & Friends' at FOX Studios on April 2, 2015 in New York City. (Photo by Noam Galai/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - JUNE 02: (L-R) Tucker Carlson, Billy Ray Cyrus, Ainsley Earhardt and Brian Kilmeade appear on a cooking segment of 'Fox & Friends' at FOX Studios on June 2, 2016 in New York City. (Photo by Rob Kim/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - JULY 01: Musician Trace Adkins (2nd L) talks with co-hosts Tucker Carlson (L), Clayton Morris (2nd R) and Ainsley Earhard during 'FOX & Friends' All American Concert Series outside of FOX Studios on July 1, 2016 in New York City. (Photo by Michael Loccisano/Getty Images)
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“By the way, if they were doing this to black people or Hispanics or any group, I would be sympathetic, because I hate that,” he said.

White nationalists’ core concern is that the so-called “white race” is under attack and that white identity can and should be preserved geographically. One of Carlson’s core concerns is that those in Middle America who are not Hispanic or black are under attack and that being a nationalist should be a “prerequisite for running a democracy.” The lines are not difficult to draw. Carlson’s talking points about white anxiety and discrimination often echo white nationalist talking points.

He has espoused such ideology before ― he’s blatantly warned his viewers about liberals pushing for white “genocide,” for example ― but his appearance on Rubin’s show gave a more candid air to his bigotry.

Asked if he thought Trump was racist, Carlson told Rubin: “I think on some level everybody is bigoted. The human heart is dark. And light. It’s a patchwork.”

He argued that Trump may be racist but that institutional racism is perpetuated by the president’s naysayers, not the man who said there were “very fine people on both sides” during the deadly white supremacist rallies in Charlottesville, Virginia.

“Racism is attacking people on the basis of their immutable characteristics, which is how our government operates. It’s totally wrong,” he said. “So is Trump an offender? I dunno, probably. Who isn’t? But the actual structural racism that hurts people and rewards others on the basis of their skin color … that’s not being perpetuated by Trump, it’s being perpetuated and defended and celebrated by his critics.”

  • This article originally appeared on HuffPost.
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