When you talk to Barbra Streisand about politics, she doesn’t hold back. “I really believe she won the election,” Streisand says about Hillary Clinton. “I’ve talked to senators from Michigan and Wisconsin. I do believe, like I believed during Bush, they were playing with those voter machines. And [Al Gore] lost by 537 votes. Bush looks quite good compared to Trump. At least he’s not mean spirited. He’s not a guy who is retaliating for what Obama did at the White House Correspondent’s Dinner.”
Streisand sat down with Variety for a two-hour conversation at her home in Malibu for this week’s cover story. In addition to talking about Hollywood’s boys club, and how it impacted her career as a director and producer, Streisand also shared her thoughts on Trump’s presidency. Here’s what she had to say about why Al Franken should have never resigned and if Clinton should run again in 2020.
Where were you on election night 2016?
I was with Senator Barbara Boxer. I was asked to go someplace downtown to be on TV. And sitting there and watching this, it put me into a deep depression. I just didn’t trust the crookedness of it. I thought, “Something’s up here.”
Do you think Trump will be impeached?
I sure hope so. I’m so upset by a crazy person. I call him the liar in chief, the misogynist in chief. He’s so crazed.
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January 1960 -- In this iconic photo, Barbra poses for a photo call for "Funny Girl" which she starred in for a year. She was nominated for a Tony for "Best Leading Actress in a Musical."
January 1965 - Streisand is photographed wearing a fuchsia pink silk dress with a scoop neckline and a matching bow around the waist.
September 1965 - Streisand appears with her Emmy for 'Outstanding Individual Achievements in Entertainment - Actors and Performers' for her performance in the TV special 'My Name Is Barbra.'
March 1966 - Streisand is photographed in Central Park.
June 1966 - Streisand with her former husband, Elliott Gould at the opening of an exhibition at the Grosvenor Gallery.
June 1967 - Streisand attends a pro-Israel rally at the Hollywood Bowl, Los Angeles, to raise emergency funds for Israel after the Six-Day War.
January 1969 - American actor John Wayne (1907 - 1979) holding an Oscar that he was awarded for his role in True Grit with Streisand.
February 1969 - Streisand holds her Golden Globe award for Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture - Comedy or Musical at the 26th Annual Golden Globe Awards.
June 1969 - Streisand, wearing a pink plaid coat, a black hat, and sunglasses, standing by a lake in Central Park, New York City. She was in New York for the shooting of director Vincente Minnelli's film, 'On a Clear Day You Can See Forever.'
April 1972 - Streisand performing on stage.
October 1973 - Streisand, wearing a turban and a fur jacket, surrounded by men in tuxedos at the premiere of director Sydney Pollack's film, 'The Way We Were', in which she starred.
December 1976 - Streisand, Jon Peters, and Guest during 'A Star Is Born' New York City Premiere - After Party at Tavern on the Green in New York City.
January 1977 - Streisand wins three awards the 34th Annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel.
December 1982 - Jon Peters and Barbra Streisand during 'Six Weeks' New York Premiere Party at New York Hilton Hotel in New York City.
January 1984 - Barbra Streisand attends the 41st Annual Golden Globe Awards and wins two more Golden Globes.
March 1986 - Streisand attends the 38th Annual Director Guild of America Awards Honors Akira Kurosawa.
August 1990 - Actor Nick Nolte and actress/singer Barbra Streisand on August 21, 1990 on the set of the film 'The Prince of Tides' in New York City.
December 1991 - Streisand attends 'The Prince of Tides' Century City Premiere.
September 1992 - Streisand attends the 1992 U.S. Open Tennis: Men's Singles Third Round Andre Agassi vs. Jan Siemerink.
September 1995 - Streisand attends the 47th Annual Primetime Emmy Awards where she was awarded Outstanding Individual Performance in a Variety or Music Program - Barbra Streisand: The Concert.
August 1998 - Barbra Streisand during James Brolin Honored with a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame at Hollywood Boulevard.
January 2000 - Streisand attends the 57th Annual Golden Globe Awards where she was awarded the Golden Globe Cecil B. DeMille Award for Lifetime Achievement.
November 2001 - Streisand sings 'You'll Never Walk Along' closing the 53rd Emmy Awards show. After two postponements attributed to the war on terrorism, the awards show is finally being held at a small venue, the Shubert Theatre.
March 2002 - Robert Redford and Barbra Streisand during The 74th Annual Academy Awards - Press Room.
September 2002 - Streisand performs at National Democratic Gala, a benefit to help win a democratic majority in the U.S. House of Representatives.
January 2004 - James Brolin and Barbra Streisand during The 61st Annual Golden Globe Awards.
December 2004 - Streisand during 'Meet the Fockers' Los Angeles Premiere.
October 2005 - Streisand performs at the Andre Agassi Charitable Foundation 10th Annual "Grand Slam for Children" fundraiser.
May 2008 - Streisand attends the 2008 ASCAP Film and Television Music Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel.
December 2008 - Streisand attends the 31st Annual Kennedy Center Honors at the Hall of States in the John F. Kennedy Center where she was a recipient of the honor.
May 2010 - Streisand and James Brolin spotted in Malibu, California.
February 2011 - National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences president Neil Portnow and Barbra Streisand pose backstage at 2011 MusiCares Person of the Year Tribute to Barbra Streisand.
February 2011 - Streisand attends The 53rd Annual GRAMMY Awards held at Staples Center.
November 2011 - Donna Karan and Barbra Streisand arrive to the 10th Annual Celebration Of Dreams at Bacara Resort and Spa.
October 2012 - Streisand performs at Barclays Center in Brooklyn.
Barbra Streisand arrives for the Glamour Magazine Women of the Year event in New York, November 11, 2013. REUTERS/Carlo Allegri (UNITED STATES - Tags: ENTERTAINMENT)
Actress and singer Barbra Streisand attends the White House Correspondents Association Dinner in Washington April 27, 2013.
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NEW YORK, NY - NOVEMBER 12: Barbra Streisand speaks onstage at the Hearst MasterClass on November 12, 2014 in New York City. (Photo by Larry Busacca/Getty Images for Hearst Magazines)
LOS ANGELES, CA - DECEMBER 09: Honoree Barbra Streisand attends the 24th annual Women in Entertainment Breakfast hosted by The Hollywood Reporter at Milk Studios on December 9, 2015 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Todd Williamson/Getty Images for The Hollywood Reporter)
CENTURY CITY, CA - FEBRUARY 15: Actress Barbra Streisand attends the American Society Of Cinematographers 29th Annual Outstanding Achievement Awards at the Hyatt Regency Century Plaza on February 15, 2015 in Century City, California. (Photo by Paul Archuleta/FilmMagic)
NEW YORK, NY - AUGUST 26: Barbra Streisand attends the SiriusXM's 'Town Hall' With Barbra Streisand and the cast of School Of Rock; 'Town Hall' to air on Streisand's SiriusXM Channel 'The Barbra Streisand Channel' at Winter Garden Theatre on August 26, 2016 in New York City. (Photo by Kevin Mazur/Getty Images for SiriusXM)
LOS ANGELES, CA - AUGUST 02: (EDITORS NOTE: This image has been retouched.) Barbra Streisand performs onstage during the tour opener for 'Barbra - The Music... The Mem'ries... The Magic!' at Staples Center on August 2, 2016 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Kevin Mazur/Getty Images for BSB )
NEW YORK, NY - APRIL 29: Singer-songwriter Barbra Streisand attends Tribeca Talks: Storytellers: Barbra Streisand With Robert Rodriguez during 2017 Tribeca Film Festival at BMCC Tribeca PAC on April 29, 2017 in New York City. (Photo by Gilbert Carrasquillo/FilmMagic)
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The George W. Bush years affected many artists. Has Trump’s presidency changed your art?
Absolutely. As a matter of fact, I’m doing an album. The next one I’m doing is called “What’s on My Mind.” I have to express myself in these ways, lyrically and melodically.
You’ve known Hillary Clinton for a while.
I find her very warm, by the way. People didn’t seem to. That was so insulting as a woman, to say, “Well, she shouts.” As if Trump doesn’t shout. He yells. It’s like that’s what has happened to our country that we are free to say these things? Imagine her background as a first lady, a senator, a secretary of state. That was the next step. She needed to be president of the United States. What that would have done for women, make them so proud, and all those little girls who are thinking, “I can be anything that I want to be, even president of the United States.” I was just heartbroken. I was so devastated for a long time.
Who would you like to run in 2020?
There’s a lot of good people. I really can’t say now.
Do you think Hillary should run again?
I don’t know if I could trust those women who didn’t like her and didn’t vote for her. I think she would win, because she deserves to win. She’s so experienced and presidential and articulate and smart. Watching Trump earlier today, he just repeats himself over and over again. At some point, three Republican Speakers of the House were guilty of sexual transgressions–Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston and Dennis Hastert. But I think Democrats are basically nicer and kinder people. They don’t insult people like Republicans seem to do.
What did you think about Senator Al Franken’s resignation?
Not all offenses are equal. The loss of Al Franken, who has been a consistent advocate for women, is hard. Before he was a senator, he was a comedian and he did a couple of silly things. He was kidding around. But that pales in comparison to what his Republican colleagues have done. I was sad to see a group of women Democratic senators turn on him so quickly. I think they went too far without due process. I think they pressured him to set an example that the Republicans might follow, and of course they didn’t.
So you think Franken should still be a senator?
Oh yes, I do. I know what they were trying to do, to say, “Look our guy told the truth and resigned.” Why don’t your guys tell the truth and resign? No such luck. These guys are going to deny everything.
Al Franken through the years
Al Franken through the years
WASHINGTON, DC - FEBRUARY 1: Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) speaks during a meeting of the Senate Judiciary Committee to vote on the nomination of Attorney General nominee Jeff Sessions, on Capitol Hill, February 1, 2017 in Washington, DC. Sessions was approved by the committee in an 11 to 9 vote. (Photo by Drew Angerer/Getty Images)
Bumble Bee Al Franken (Photo by Owen Franken/Corbis via Getty Images)
SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE -- Episode 3 -- Pictured: Al Franken during 'The Franken and Davis Show' skit on October 21, 1978 -- Photo by: Alan Singer/NBC/NBCU Photo Bank
NEW YORK CITY - JUNE 19: Al Franken attends City Fair Benefit for Cystic Fibrosis on June 19, 1983 at Bloomingdale's in New York City. (Photo by Ron Galella, Ltd./WireImage)
Backstage with Al Franken at the Shadow Convention. (Photo by Rebecca D'Angelo/Sygma via Getty Images)
Actor Al Franken relaxing at Kaufman Astoria Studios. (Photo by James Leynse/Corbis via Getty Images)
NEW YORK - SEPTEMBER 28: Al Franken attends the New York Friars Club Roast September 28, 2002 in New York City. The black-tie annual event was held in honor of Chevy Chase at the New York Hilton. (Photo by Graham Morrison/Getty Images)
NEW YORK - AUGUST 21: Al Franken's new book 'Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right' is seen August 21, 2003 in New York City. Fox News is suing the Franken and publisher Penguin arguing that the book's use of the phrase 'Fair and Balanced' is a trademark infringement. (Photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)
BOSTON - JULY 28: Political humorist Al Franken does a television interview on the floor of the FleetCenter on the third day of the Democratic National Convention July 28, 2004 in Boston, Massachusetts. Under heavy security, Democratic presidential candidate U.S. Senator John Kerry (D-MA) is expected to accept his party's nomination later in the week. (Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty Images)
Al Franken of the Air America Network reporting on the floor of the Republican National Convention during the second night at Madison Square Garden. (Photo by Ted Soqui/Corbis via Getty Images)
Al Franken at Earth to America! which airs on TBS Sunday, November 20 at 8 p.m. 10423MC_16017.JPG (Photo by M. Caulfield/WireImage for Temp Account)
LOS ANGELES - MARCH 25: Comedian and talk show host Al Franken was honored with the Humanitarian Award at the Human Rights Campaign's Gala Dinner at the Century Plaza Hotel on March 25, 2006 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Kevin Winter/Getty Images)
Actor and comedian Al Franken waves flag May 9, 2006, prior to his lecture at the 92nd Street Y in New York, NY. (Photo by Tim Boxer/Getty Images)
MINNEAPOLIS, MN -OCTOBER 21: U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senate candidate Al Franken wave to the crowd at a rally October 21, 2008 at the McNamara Alumni Center at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Clinton told the crowd of more than 2,000 that Franken needs to win in order secure the 60 Senate seats needed to overcome a Republican filibuster. (Photo by Cory Ryan/Getty Images)
WASHINGTON - JANUARY 21: Minnesota Democratic senate hopeful Al Franken is shown at a meeting with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) on January 21, 2009 in Washington, DC. Franken and his opponent, incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN), who held a slender lead following the election, are currently locked in a legal battle over a recount that put Franken ahead by 225 votes out of 2.9 million cast. (Photo by Brendan Hoffman/Getty Images)
WASHINGTON - JULY 07: US Senator Al Franken (D-MN) (R) hugs a friend during a swearing in reenactment ceremony on Capitol Hill July 6, 2009 in Washington, DC. Last month a Minnesota court ruled that Al Franken won the Minnesota senate seat beating out Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN). (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images)
Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) speaks during the confirmation hearings for Judge Sonia Sotomayor before the Senate Judiciary Committee July 13, 2009 in Washington, DC. Sotomayor, now an appeals court judge and US President Barack Obama?s first Supreme Court nominee, will become the first Hispanic justice on the Supreme Court if confirmed. AFP PHOTO/Nicholas KAMM (Photo credit should read NICHOLAS KAMM/AFP/Getty Images)
US Senator Al Franken, a Democrat from Minnesota, listens to testimony on medical debt and bankruptcy before the US Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Administrative Oversight and the Courts on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, October 20, 2009. AFP PHOTO / Saul LOEB (Photo credit should read SAUL LOEB/AFP/Getty Images)
Minnesota Senator Al Franken works on his laptop in Washington DC. (Photo by Owen Franken/Corbis via Getty Images)
Democratic US Senator for Minnesota Al Franken in his Capitol Hill office in Washington. (Photo by Brooks Kraft LLC/Corbis via Getty Images)
UNITED STATES - MAY 23: Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., listens to testimony from Melodee Hanes, acting administrator of the Justice Department's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, at a Senate Judiciary Administrative Oversight and the Courts Subcommittee hearing on Protecting Our Children: The Importance of Training Child Protection Professionals.' (Photo by Chris Maddaloni/CQ Roll Call)
WASHINGTON, DC - JULY 11: Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) speaks during a women's pro-choice rally on Capitol Hill, July 11, 2013 in Washington, DC. The rally was hosted by Planned Parenthood Federation of America to urge Congress against passing any legislation to limit access to safe and legal abortion. (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images)
WASHINGTON, DC - MARCH 4: Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) speaks at a news conference to discuss the Affordable Care Act case being heard at the Supreme Court, on Capitol Hill in Washington, March 4, 2015 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. Today the Supreme Court was scheduled to hear oral arguments in the case of King v. Burwell that could determine the fate of health care subsidies for as many as eight million people. (Photo by Drew Angerer/Getty Images)
WASHINGTON, USA - JULY 8: Senator Al Franken during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Going Dark and data encryption in Washington, USA on JULY 8, 2015. (Photo by Samuel Corum/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - FEBRUARY 13: United States Senator Al Franken attends the 2016 Writers Guild Awards New York ceremony at The Edison Ballroom on February 13, 2016 in New York City. (Photo by Jim Spellman/WireImage)
UNITED STATES - APRIL 07: Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., is interviewed by Roll Call in his Capitol hideaway about his upcoming Jeopardy appearance, April, 07, 2016. (Photo By Tom Williams/CQ Roll Call)
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 9: Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) speaks to reporters at a news conference dubbed #WeThePeople outside the Capitol on June 9, 2016 in Washington, D.C. Senate Democrats unveiled a new legislative proposal that will reform campaign finances and ensure fairer elections. (Photo by Gabriella Demczuk/Getty Images)
US Senator Al Franken gestures during Day 1 of the Democratic National Convention at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, July 25, 2016. / AFP / SAUL LOEB (Photo credit should read SAUL LOEB/AFP/Getty Images)