Quincy Jones says he knows who killed JFK and 12 more wild takes from new interview

Quincy Jones has revealed a whole lot in a new interview, discussing Michael Jackson’s plastic surgery, who he says killed JFK, dating Ivanka Trump and his thoughts on why the Beatles were “the worst musicians in the world.”

Oprah Winfrey shouldn’t run for president, the legendary record producer believes, and the music business is dead apart from a few solid artists like Kendrick Lamar, Sam Smith and Bruno Mars.

When asked what he thinks is his greatest musical innovation, he said, “Everything I’ve done.”

“Everything was something to be proud of — absolutely,” he said. “It’s been an amazing contrast of genres. Since I was very young, I’ve played all kinds of music: bar mitzvah music, Sousa marches, strip-club music, jazz, pop. Everything. I didn’t have to learn a thing to do Michael Jackson.”

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WASHINGTON, DC - DECEMBER 03: Record Producer Quincy Jones attends the 40th Kennedy Center Honors at the Kennedy Center on December 3, 2017 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Paul Morigi/Getty Images)
WASHINGTON, DC - NOVEMBER 29: Quincy Jones attends the Smithsonian Magazine's 2017 American Ingenuity Awards at the National Portrait Gallery on November 29, 2017 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Paul Morigi/Getty Images)
LOS ANGELES, CA - NOVEMBER 12: Record Producer Quincy Jones is honored at In A Perfect World Foundation honors Quincy Jones at Four Seasons Hotel Los Angeles at Beverly Hills on November 12, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Earl Gibson III/Getty Images)
LOS ANGELES, CA - NOVEMBER 12: Record Producer Quincy Jones is honored at In A Perfect World Foundation honors Quincy Jones at Four Seasons Hotel Los Angeles at Beverly Hills on November 12, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Earl Gibson III/Getty Images)
LOS ANGELES, CA - NOVEMBER 12: (L-R) Smokey Robinson and Quincy Jones attend In A Perfect World Foundation Honors Quincy Jones at Four Seasons Hotel Los Angeles at Beverly Hills on November 12, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Earl Gibson III/Getty Images)
LOS ANGELES, CA - NOVEMBER 01: Producer Quincy Jones attends Spotify's inaugural Secret Genius Awards at Vibiana Cathedral on November 1, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Jason LaVeris/FilmMagic)
LOS ANGELES, CA - NOVEMBER 01: Quincy Jones speaks onstage at Spotify's Inaugural Secret Genius Awards hosted by Lizzo at Vibiana on November 1, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Matt Winkelmeyer/Getty Images for Spotify)
LOS ANGELES, CA - OCTOBER 19: Fashion designer Tommy Hilfiger (L) and composer Quincy Jones attend Julien's Auctions and Tommy Hilfiger VIP reception on October 19, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by David Livingston/Getty Images)
LOS ANGELES, CA - OCTOBER 07: Quincy Jones and Rashida Jones attend the 2017 Los Angeles Dance Project Gala on October 7, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Vivien Killilea/Getty Images for L.A. Dance Project)
LOS ANGELES, CA - SEPTEMBER 19: Producer Quincy Jones presents award at 2017 GRAMMY Museum Gala Honoring David Foster at The Novo by Microsoft on September 19, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Rebecca Sapp/WireImage for The Recording Academy )
LAS VEGAS, NV - JULY 27: Producer Quincy Jones speaks during the invite-only Quincy Jones Studio Experience inside the Palms Studio during JBL Fest, a three-day music experience, on July 27, 2017 in Las Vegas, Nevada. (Photo by Kevin Mazur/Getty Images for JBL)
BEVERLY HILLS, CA - MAY 05: Quincy Jones attends the 24th Annual Race To Erase MS Gala at The Beverly Hilton Hotel on May 5, 2017 in Beverly Hills, California. (Photo by Rich Fury/Getty Images)
SEATTLE, WA - MAY 11: Musician Quincy Jones speaks on stage at the Upstream Music Fest + Summit at WaMu Theater in Pioneer Square on May 11, 2017 in Seattle, Washington. (Photo by Suzi Pratt/Getty Images,)
Quincy Jones attends the reception in his honor at the Residence de France in Beverly Hills, on April 25, 2017. / AFP PHOTO / CHRIS DELMAS (Photo credit should read CHRIS DELMAS/AFP/Getty Images)
LOS ANGELES, CA - APRIL 09: (L-R) Executive Director & Vice Chairman of the Jazz Foundation of America Wendy Oxenhorn and record producer Quincy Jones attend an evening with Quincy Jones and The Jazz Foundation of America at Vibrato on April 9, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Lester Cohen/WireImage)
LOS ANGELES, CA - APRIL 09: Record producer Quincy Jones attends an evening with Quincy Jones and The Jazz Foundation of America at Vibrato on April 9, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Lester Cohen/WireImage)
HOLLYWOOD, CA - APRIL 06: Producer Quincy Jones attends the premiere of 'Sandy Wexler' at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome on April 6, 2017 in Hollywood, California. (Photo by Jason LaVeris/FilmMagic)
LOS ANGELES, CA - APRIL 06: (L-R) Producer Walter Mirisch, director Norman Jewison, actor Sidney Poitier, actor Lee Grant and producer Quincy Jones attend the 50th anniversary screening of 'In the Heat of the Night' during the 2017 TCM Classic Film Festival on April 6, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Handout/Getty Images)
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See below for 13 wild takes from the Vulture interview.

1. He Dated Ivanka Trump

The legendary record producer called Donald Trump a “crazy motherf–er. Limited mentally — a megalomaniac, narcissistic. I can’t stand him. I used to date Ivanka, you know.”

He continued, “Twelve years ago. Tommy Hilfiger, who was working with my daughter Kidada, said, ‘Ivanka wants to have dinner with you.’ I said, ‘No problem. She’s a fine motherf–er.’ She had the most beautiful legs I ever saw in my life. Wrong father, though.”

2. He Thinks Oprah Shouldn’t Run for President

Jones also doesn’t think his friend Oprah Winfrey should run for president.

“If you haven’t been governor of a state of the CEO of a company or a military general, you don’t know how to lead people,” he said.

Jones saved his sharpest criticism for President Trump. “A symphony conductor knows more about how to lead than most businesspeople — more than Trump does. He doesn’t know s—. Someone who knows about real leadership wouldn’t have as many people against him as he does. He’s a f—ing idiot,” he said.

3. Michael Jackson “Stole a Lot of Songs”

Jones, who co-produced Jackson’s biggest-selling albums, said the pop star “stole a lot of songs” and had plastic surgery because his father “told him he was ugly,” although he tried to “justify it and say it was because of some disease he had.”

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CIRCA 1969: R&B quintet 'Jackson 5' pose for a portrait in circa 1969. Clockwise from bottom left: Michael Jackson, Tito Jackson, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson. (Photo by Michael Ochs Archives/Getty Images)
American singer Michael Jackson poses at a hotel while on tour with Jackson 5, London, England, November 1972. (Photo by Express Newspapers/Getty Images)
American pop singer Michael Jackson attends the opening of the stage musical 'Dream Girls,' In Los Angeles, 1983. (Photo by Frank Edwards/Fotos International/Getty Images)
Undated picture of US pop singer Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009 after suffering a cardiac arrest, sending shockwaves sweeping across the world and tributes pouring in on June 26 for the tortured music icon revered as the 'King of Pop.' AFP PHOTO (Photo credit should read /AFP/GettyImages)
(FILES) US pop star and entertainer Michael Jackson (R) and actress Brooke Shields arrive at the shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles where Jackson is expected to run away with a major part of the Grammy awards on Febuary 28, 1984. Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009 after suffering a cardiac arrest, sending shockwaves sweeping across the world and tributes pouring in on June 26 for the tortured music icon revered as the 'King of Pop.' AFP PHOTO/Alan ZANGER (Photo credit should read BERTRAND GUAY/AFP/Getty Images)
American singer Michael Jackson (1958 - 2009) performing on stage, circa 1987. (Photo by Dave Hogan/Getty Images)
American singer Michael Jackson performing, 1987. (Photo by Dave Hogan/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)
LANDOVER, UNITED STATES: American pop music star Michael Jackson sings 13 October 1988 at the Capital Center in Landover, Maryland. AFP PHOTO/Luke FRAZZA (Photo credit should read LUKE FRAZZA/AFP/Getty Images)
(FILES) US pop star and entertainer Michael Jackson performs during the opening concert of the Asian leg of his 'Dangerous' world tour in National Stadium in Bangkok on August 24, 1993. Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009 after suffering a cardiac arrest, sending shockwaves sweeping across the world and tributes pouring in on June 26 for the tortured music icon revered as the 'King of Pop.' AFP PHOTO/Pongsak CHAIYANUWONG (Photo credit should read PONGSAK CHAIYANUWONG/AFP/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - SEPTEMBER 7: Singer Michael Jackson (R) and guitarist Slash of 'Guns and Roses' perform the opening number at the 1995 MTV Video Music Awards 07 September held at the Radio City Music Hall in New York. Jackson and sister Janet Jackson have been nominted for 11 awards for their video 'Scream.' AFP PHOTO (Photo credit should read DON EMMERT/AFP/Getty Images)
US pop star and entertainer Michael Jackson performs during a concert at Vincennes hypodrome on September 13, 1992. Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009 after suffering a cardiac arrest, sending shockwaves sweeping across the world and tributes pouring in on June 26 for the tortured music icon revered as the 'King of Pop.' AFP PHOTO/Bertrand GUAY (Photo credit should read BERTRAND GUAY/AFP/Getty Images)
(FILES) US pop star Michael Jackson waves to photographers during a press conference in Paris on March 19, 1996. Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009 after suffering a cardiac arrest, sending shockwaves sweeping across the world and tributes pouring in for the tortured music icon revered as the 'King of Pop.' AFP PHOTO / VINCENT AMALVY (Photo credit should read VINCENT AMALVY/AFP/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - SEPTEMBER 7: Michael Jackson (C) performs at Madison Square Garden in New York 07 September, 2001. It was the first of two performances in New York as part of his '30th Anniversary Celebration, the Solo Years.' AFP PHOTO (Photo credit should read BETH A. KEISER/AFP/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, UNITED STATES: (FILES) This 06 July, 2002, file photo shows pop singer Michael Jackson (L) waving from his limo to fans in the Harlem neighborhood of New York. The child molestation trial against Jackson is scheduled to start 31 January, 2005, in Santa Maria, California. The star has denied 10 charges, including child molestation, plying a child with alcohol to seduce him and of conspiring to kidnap and falsely imprison a child and his family at his Neverland Ranch. He is free on a three million USD bail. AFP PHOTO/Doug KANTER/FILES (Photo credit should read DOUG KANTER/AFP/Getty Images)
LOS ANGELES, UNITED STATES: US pop singer Michael Jackson salutes the audience after recieving the Artist of the Century Award during the 29th Annual American Music Awards at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles 09 January 2002. AFP PHOTO/Hector MATA (Photo credit should read HECTOR MATA/AFP/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, UNITED STATES: US singer Michael Jackson and guitarist Dave Navaro perform during the Democratic National Committee (DNC) benefit concert, 'A Night at the Apollo', at the world-famous Apollo Theater 24 April 2002 in New York. The concert was to kick off a nationwide voter registration drive. AFP PHOTO/TIMOTHY A. CLARY (Photo credit should read TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP/Getty Images)
404248 10: Musician Michael Jackson performs at the taping of 'American Bandstands 50th...A Celebration' television special honoring the music show April 20, 2002 in Pasadena, CA. (Photo by Vince Bucci/Getty Images)
BERLIN - NOVEMBER 19: Singer Michael Jackson holds his son eight-month-old son Prince Michael II over the balcony of the Adlon Hotel November 19, 2002 in Berlin, Germany. Jackson is in Berlin with his three children to accept a lifetime achievement award. (Photo by Olaf Selchow/Getty Images)
BERLIN - NOVEMBER 19: Singer Michael Jackson appears at the balcony of the Adlon Hotel with an unidentified child November 19, 2002 in Berlin, Germany. Jackson is in Berlin with his three children to accept a lifetime achievement award. (Photo by Olaf Selchow/Getty Images)
SOWETO, SOUTH AFRICA - JULY 18: US musician Michael Jackson holds a child 18 July in Soweto, South Africa, where he laid a wreath at the memorial for students who died in an uprising on 16 June. Jackson sang a happy birthday song to South African President Nelson Mandela at a surprise meeting with the president shortly after he arrived in the country. AFP PHOTO (Photo credit should read WALTER DHLADHLA/AFP/Getty Images)
SANTA MARIA, UNITED STATES: (FILES) This 13 November, 2002, file photo shows pop singer Michael Jackson arriving inside the Santa Maria Superior Court for a trial in which he is accused of canceling concert appearances and costing the promoter several million dollars. The child molestation trial against Jackson is scheduled to start 31 January, 2005, in Santa Maria, California. The star has denied 10 charges, including child molestation, plying a child with alcohol to seduce him and of conspiring to kidnap and falsely imprison a child and his family at his Neverland Ranch. He is free on a three million USD bail. POOL/SPENCER WEINER/FILES (Photo credit should read SPENCER WEINER/AFP/Getty Images)
SANTA MARIA, CA - NOVEMBER 14: Musician Michael Jackson signs autographs for fans as he arrives at his civil trial in Santa Maria Superior Court November 14, 2002 in Santa Maria, California. The artist is being sued for $21 million by his longtime promoter for backing out of two concerts. (Photo by Bryan Chan-Pool/Getty Images)
SANTA MARIA, CA - NOVEMBER 15: Pop star Michael Jackson testifies during his civil trial in Santa Maria Superior Court on November 15, 2002 in Santa Maria, California. The pop star is being sued for $21 million by his longtime promoter for backing out of two concerts. (Photo by Ed Souza-Pool/Getty Images)
SANTA MARIA, CA - DECEMBER 4: Singer Michael Jackson testifies during the morning session of his civil trial in Santa Maria Superior Court on December 4, 2002 in Santa Maria, California. The artist is being sued for $21 million by his longtime promoter for backing out of two concerts. (Photo by Jim Ruyman-Pool/Getty Images)
LAS VEGAS - OCTOBER 27: (TABLOIDS OUT) Singer Beyonce' Knowles and singer Michael Jackson, winner of the 2003 Humanitarian Award, hug onstage at The 2003 Radio Music Awards at the Aladdin Casino Resort October 27, 2003 in Las Vegas, Neveda. For more information on Jackson's humanitarian efforts, go to musicforgiving.org. (Photos by Kevin Winter/Getty Images)
SANTA MARIA, CA - APRIL 30: Singer Michael Jackson gestures while departing the courthouse after his arraignment on April 30, 2004 in Santa Maria, California. Jackson plead not guilty to the grand jury indictment of numerous child molestation charges. (Photo by David McNew/Getty Images)
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4. He Thought the Beatles Were “The Worst Musicians In The World”

“They were the worst musicians in the world. They were no-playing motherf—ers. Paul was the worst bass player I ever heard. And Ringo? Don’t even talk about it,” said Jones, who arranged a version of “Love Is a Many-Splendored Thing” for Starr’s 1970 solo debut album Sentimental Journey, which was produced by the Beatles’ frequent collaborator George Martin. 

5. He Says He Knows Who Killed Kennedy

One thing Jones said he wishes he didn’t know is “who killed Kennedy.” “[Chicago mobster Sam] Giancana. The connection was there between Sinatra and the Mafia and Kennedy. Joe Kennedy — he was a bad man — he came to Frank to have him talk to Giancana about getting votes.”

The theory is well-known among Kennedy conspiracists, including the idea that Giancana helped Kennedy win Illinois in 1960.

Added the super-producer: “We shouldn’t talk about this publicly.”

6. He Says Paul Allen “Sings and Plays Just Like Hendrix”

Jones is a big fan of Paul Allen, the Microsoft cofounder and multi-billionaire.

“I went on a trip on his yacht, and he had David Crosby, Joe Walsh, Sean Lennon — all those crazy motherf—ers. Then on the last two days, Stevie Wonder came on with his band and made Paul come up and play with him — he’s good, man.”

7. He Thinks U2 Doesn’t Make Good Music Anymore

“I don’t know. I love Bono with all my heart, but there’s too much pressure on the band. He’s doing good work all over the world. Working with him and Bob Geldof on debt relief was one of the greatest things I ever did. It’s up there with ‘We Are the World.'”

8. There’s No “Innovation” in Modern Pop Music

“It’s just loops, beats, rhymes and hooks. What is there for me to learn from that? There ain’t no f—ing songs. The song is the power; the singer is the messenger. The greatest singer in the world cannot save a bad song. I learned that 50 years ago, and it’s the single greatest lesson I ever learned as a producer. If you don’t have a great song, it doesn’t matter what else you put around it.”

9. But There Are a Few Modern Artists Doing Good Work

“Bruno Mars. Chance the Rapper. Kendrick Lamar. I like where Kendrick’s mind is. He’s grounded. Chance, too. And the Ed Sheeran record is great. Sam Smith — he’s so open about being gay. I love it. Mark Ronson is someone who knows how to produce.”

10. The Music Business Doesn’t Exist

“There isn’t a music business anymore! If these people had paid attention to Shawn Fanning 20 years ago, we wouldn’t be in this mess. But the music business is still too full of these old-school bean counters. You can’t be like that. You can’t be one of these back-in-my-day people.”

11. Marlon Brando Slept With Marvin Gaye and James Baldwin, According to Jones

“[Marlon] Brando used to go cha-cha dancing with us. He could dance his ass off. He was the most charming motherf—er you ever met. He’d f— anything. Anything! He’d f— a mailbox. James Baldwin. Richard Pryor. Marvin Gaye… Come on, man. He did not give a f—! You like Brazilian music?”

12. He Suffered a Breakdown After Working on “The Color Purple”

“What happened was that I was a producer on that movie and everybody went on vacation after we finished filming — everybody except me. I had to stay home and write an hour and 55 minutes of music for the movie. I was so f—ing tired from doing that, I couldn’t see. I put too much on my plate and it took its toll. You learn from your mistakes and I learned I couldn’t do that again.”

13. He Regrets Doing “Soul Bossa Nostra”

“I was not in favor of doing it, but the rappers wanted to record something as a tribute to me, where they’d do versions of songs that I’d done over my career. I said to them, ‘Look, you got to make the music better than we did on the originals.’ That didn’t happen. T-Pain, man, he didn’t pay attention to the details.”

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