Jenna Fischer details years of rejection before landing 'The Office' in new book

Jenna Fischer, the Emmy-nominated star who brought Pam Beesly to life on the NBC comedy The Office, was not cast in her breakout role overnight. It took eight "grueling years” and plenty of rejection before she landed a part on the hit show that would go on to air for nine seasons.  

In her new book, The Actor’s Life: A Survival Guide, Fischer details the highs (crashing an SNL party) and lows (riding a Jurassic Park water ride for 12 hours straight as an extra) of her journey to becoming a fan-favorite on a network television show.

From accidentally auditioning to be a high-priced call girl to losing roles to Alyson Hannigan, Fischer gets candid about her experiences to serve a larger purpose: to be the mentor she wishes she had when she first started out in the business. As a fresh college graduate in the 1990s, Fischer “completely expected to be a rich and famous actress” within the first six months of moving to the Sunshine State.

In 1996, she said goodbye to her hometown in Missouri, where she was raised by her father, a plastics engineer, and her mother, a teacher. But she endured six years of “small successes, followed by heaps of rejection,” while accumulating debt and living in “crappy” apartments; she describes one as a “cave,” furnished with cardboard nightstands that were so depressing her cat licked out patches of his fur.  

The Hollywood Reporter spoke with Fischer about the roadblocks she faced in her 20s, the advice she would give aspiring actors today and what the casting process was like for The Office

How did you push through any feelings of depression or anxiety in your early years in Hollywood and what do you recommend to others starting out who might feel the same?  

Financial stress can really add to the feelings of depression and anxiety when you are a struggling actor or really as you are a struggling anything. The path to financial security as an actor is a very, very long one and a very unpredictable one. My first piece of advice: try to start your acting career debt-free or with very little debt. Then, don't spend your paycheck. Save as much as you can. I talk about the stressful moments where I had to decide between a low-paying acting job to further my career or a better-paying temp job to pay off my credit card debt or get new headshots that I really needed. It was definitely, definitely stressful.  

One piece of advice you give is “know what you are selling” as an actor. Can you elaborate?  

You are enough. How you are is enough. You don’t need to pretend to be someone else. You don’t need to lose weight or gain weight or dress a certain way or be a certain way because the most interesting people to watch are the people who are being like a fully expressed authentic version of themselves and you create a niche and then you fill it. That is really my advice: don’t go into an agent’s office thinking you have to be what they want you to be. The more self-realized you can be, I think the more expressive you can be in bringing that self to the character you are being asked to play and the more layered the character will become.  

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Jenna Fischer and John Krasinski of 'The Office' (Photo by Gregory Pace/FilmMagic)
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BEVERLY HILLS, CA - JULY 24: Actress Jenna Fischer (L) and actor John Krasinski attend the panel discussion for 'The Office' during the NBC 2005 Television Critics Association Summer Press Tour at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on July 24, 2005 in Beverly Hills, California. (Photo by Frederick M. Brown/Getty Images)
John Krasinski during NBC 2007-2008 Primetime Preview Red Carpeti Upfronts - Arrivals at Radio City Music Hall in New York City, New York, United States. (Photo by Michael Loccisano/FilmMagic)
Actor John Krasinski in the press room at the 14th Annual Screen Actors Guild Awards at the Shrine Auditorium on January 27, 2008 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Jeff Kravitz/FilmMagic)
THE OFFICE -- 'Parking' Episode 4014 -- Airdate 04/17/2008 -- Pictured: John Krasinski as Jim Halpert (Photo by Chris Haston/NBC/NBCU Photo Bank via Getty Images)
NEW YORK - MAY 12: Actor John Krasinski attends the NBC Universal Experience at Rockefeller Center on May 12, 2008 in New York City. (Photo by Jason Kempin/WireImage)
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LOS ANGELES, CA - SEPTEMBER 20: Actor John Krasinski arrives at the 61st Primetime Emmy Awards held at the Nokia Theatre on September 20, 2009 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Jeff Vespa/WireImage)
NEW YORK CITY, NY - DECEMBER 7: John Krasinski poses for a photo during a portrait session at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in New York City, New York on December 7, 2009. (Photo by Munawar Hosain/Fotos International/Getty Images) Reproduction by American tabloids is absolutely forbidden.
THE OFFICE -- 'The Meeting' Episode 602 -- Pictured: John Krasinski as Jim Halpert -- Photo by: Trae Patton/NBC/NBCU Photo Bank
HOLLYWOOD - JANUARY 15: Actors John Krasinski (L) and Emily Blunt arrive at the 15th annual Critics' Choice Movie Awards held at the Hollywood Palladium on January 15, 2010 in Hollywood, California. (Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for VH1)
LATE NIGHT WITH JIMMY FALLON -- Episode 830 -- Pictured: (l-r) John Krasinski and host Jimmy Fallon take turns lip syncing classics from Katy Perry, Boyz II Men and others on May 7, 2013 -- (Photo by: Lloyd Bishop/NBC/NBCU Photo Bank via Getty Images)
Actor John Krasinski arrives at the 17th Annual Screen Actors Guild Awards held at The Shrine Auditorium on January 30, 2011 in Los Angeles, California.
WASHINGTON, DC - DECEMBER 3: (AFP OUT) Emily Blunt and John Krasinski arrive for the formal Artist's Dinner honoring the recipients of the 2011 Kennedy Center Honors hosted by United States Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at the U.S. Department of State on December 3, 2011 in Washington, DC. President Barack Obama will host the five recipients of the 34th Kennedy Center Honors at a White House reception Sunday before attending the evening gala at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. The 2011 honorees are actress Meryl Streep, singer Neil Diamond, actress Barbara Cook, musician Yo-Yo Ma, and musician Sonny Rollins..(Photo by Ron Sachs-Pool/Getty Images)
LOS ANGELES, CA - JANUARY 29: Actors Emily Blunt and John Krasinski arrives at the 18th Annual Screen Actors Guild Awards held at The Shrine Auditorium on January 29, 2012 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Jeff Vespa/WireImage)
THE OFFICE -- 'Roy's Wedding' Episode 902 -- Pictured: (l-r) John Krasinski as Jim Halpert, Jenna Fischer as Pam Halpert -- (Photo by: Trae Patton/NBC/NBCU Photo Bank via Getty Images)
TORONTO, CANADAÂÂSEPT. 6, 2012ÂÂEmily Blunt (with husband John Krasinski) stars in Looper, a futuristic action thriller, which premiered at the Toronto Film Festival. (Photo by Carolyn Cole/Los Angeles Times via Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - DECEMBER 04: (NO TABLOIDS) John Krasinski at the 'Promised Land' Press Conference at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel on December 4, 2012 in New York City. (Photo by Vera Anderson/WireImage)
BEVERLY HILLS, CA - SEPTEMBER 30: Actor John Krasinski attends the premiere of 'Captain Phillips' at the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences on September 30, 2013 in Beverly Hills, California. (Photo by Jason LaVeris/FilmMagic)
NEW YORK, NY - DECEMBER 08: Actors Emily Blunt and John Krasinski attend the 'Into The Woods' world premiere at the Ziegfeld Theater on December 8, 2014 in New York City. (Photo by Jim Spellman/WireImage)
NEW YORK, NY - OCTOBER 08: Emily Blunt and husband John Krasinski pose at The Opening Night of the MTC production of Sam Shepard's 'Fool For Love' on Broadway at The Samuel J. Friedman Theatre on October 8, 2015 in New York City. (Photo by Bruce Glikas/FilmMagic)
NEW YORK, NY - OCTOBER 07: Actor John Krasinski attends the Film Independent NYC 'Live Read' at NYU Skirball Center on October 7, 2016 in New York City. (Photo by Mireya Acierto/WireImage)
NEW YORK, NY - OCTOBER 04: Actress Emily Blunt and Actor John Krasinski attends 'The Girl on the Train' premiere at Regal E-Walk on October 4, 2016 in New York City. (Photo by Jimi Celeste/Patrick McMullan via Getty Images)
NEW YORK - AUGUST 30: The Late Show With Stephen Colbert: With guest John Krasinski during Tuesday's 8/30/16 taping in New York. (Photo by Scott Kowalchyk/CBS via Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - AUGUST 30: Actor John Krasinski enters 'The Late Show With Stephen Colbert' taping at the Ed Sullivan Theater on August 30, 2016 in New York City. (Photo by Ray Tamarra/GC Images)
LOS ANGELES, CA - AUGUST 22: Actor John Krasinski attends the premiere of 'The Hollars' at Linwood Dunn Theater on August 22, 2016 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Jason LaVeris/FilmMagic)
LOS ANGELES, CA - AUGUST 22: Actors Charlie Day, Ashley Dyke, Margo Martindale, director/actor John Krasinski, actress Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Co-President of Sony Pictures Classics, Tom Bernard attend a Los Angeles Special Presentation of Sony Pictures Classics' 'The Hollars' at Linwood Dunn Theater on August 22, 2016 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Alberto E. Rodriguez/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - AUGUST 18: Actors Emily Blunt and John Krasinski attend the special presentation of 'The Hollars' on August 18, 2016 in New York City. (Photo by Jimi Celeste/Patrick McMullan via Getty Images)
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Among the various day jobs you held in Los Angeles, one of your first roles was that of an office assistant — a position that would later help you develop The Office character Pam Beesly. What was most valuable during that time in shaping Pam?  

I could never have anticipated that I was going to end up playing a receptionist or a secretary on a television show at the time. But ultimately, having worked in an office I think gave me details to my character and world that I wouldn’t have had if I’d never worked in an actual office.  

I earned my living as an administrative assistant for seven years as a struggling actress, so I had many office jobs. When I got my job on The Office, one of the things that I did was I went to an office supply store and I bought my own pot for my desk and I bought the things that I used to really like having on my desk when I was a real administrative assistant. And I think that it just made the whole world feel more real, because I had that real-life experience when I got The Office job. 

You write of the moment in which you first met John Krasinski during The Office casting process. You had a gut reaction that he was perfect for Jim, and he felt the same about you playing Pam. What do you think made you two so sure about being perfect for the pair?

I can’t speak to why he thought I should be cast, but I’ve been in situations of what you’d call the chemistry read with another actor. They sort of boil a role down to a few choices. And then they ask you to come in and read with other actors. I did chemistry reads with the various people they wanted to cast as Karen as well, so I read with a couple of actors. 

When I met John and I was reading with John, everything was easy. It was effortless. I just felt the most like Pam in the easiest way. All of our work together felt so honest. And I had the same reaction when I did my chemistry read with Rashida Jones. I was like, "That’s Karen. This is her." And the producers asked me my opinion after the chemistry read. They didn’t ask me in my initial audition with John. I just had to keep my fingers crossed. But then once I was on the show and they had me read with the Karens, I just said, "It’s Rashida! I don’t know, what did you guys feel?" And they were like, "Well, that’s what we think, but it’s confirmed." Chemistry between actors, it’s a very elusive thing. To me what it means is it’s easy and effortless to access your character with that other actor. I did feel that immediately with Jim. I mean with John! I was relieved that they cast John because it made my job so much easier. 

What were your first impressions meeting Rainn Wilson [Dwight Schrute] and Steve Carell [Michael Scott] during casting? [Carell writes the foreword of Fischer’s book.]

I remember meeting Rainn, but I didn’t meet him in the waiting room. I never met Rainn. I met Dwight. I was introduced to him during an audition, so I left that audition not knowing the real Rainn Wilson. Dwight is such a distinct character. It was hard for me to believe that the real guy could be different and he is. Rainn Wilson is very different from Dwight Schrute, but I think of all of us, Rainn nailed his character most thoroughly, most quickly. 

When I think of Steve I just think of the word precision. He is so precise in his ability to land a joke or to land an emotional beat, and yet it appears effortless. I don’t think you ever see him trying. It’s just a really beautiful quality, really a treat to get to work with him for so long and get to observe that. And I’m not sure if it’s something you can learn. You either just have that inherent sense of timing, or you don’t. He is a master of timing. 

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Jenna Fischer and Dermot Mulroney on "Watch What Happens Live." 
Fischer swings by the AOL Build series on January 20, 2016. 
Fischer signs the wall at AOL BUILD on January 20, 2016. 
Fischer, here at the NBC presentation on January 13, 2016, plays a wrongly-accused hacker in "You, Me and the Apocalypse." 
"Apocalypse" costars Megan Mullally and Fischer at at the 2016 NBCUniversal Winter TCA Press Tour at the Langham Hotel on January 13, 2016.
Fischer looks glam at HBO's Emmy after-party on September 20, 2015 in Los Angeles.
Fischer is happily pregnant on April 1, 2014 in Beverly Hills. 
Fred Weller, Leslie Bibb, Jenna Fischer and Josh Hamilton take a bow during curtain call at the "Reasons To Be Happy" Broadway opening on June 11, 2013.
It's a wrap for "The Office," on March 16, 2013 -- and for on-screen lovebirds Fischer and John Krasinski. 
Rainn Wilson, Fischer and John Krasinski at the wrap party for "The Office." 
Fischer and her husband Lee Kirk at the Screen Actors Guild Awards on January 27, 2013.
Fischer as Pam Halpert on NBC's "The Office." 
Fischer and Kirk attend the CNN Heroes: An All Star Tribute at on December 2, 2012 in Los Angeles.
Kristen Wiig and Fischer attend ELLE's 19th Annual Women In Hollywood bash on October 15, 2012 in Beverly Hills.
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In your book, you warn actors about working with people who may have dangerous intentions, writing, “There should be no shaming, no forcing you into things ... If you feel abused or harassed tell someone.” How would you say this book is especially relevant now, as more sexual harassment and misconduct allegations are surfacing? 

What I talk about in the book is that if you’re in a situation that’s making you feel unsafe or uncomfortable, get out of it as quickly as you can and report it to somebody. That can be difficult because often the person who’s making you uncomfortable is the person you would report things to. That’s the problem in general with sexual harassment in any industry, in any job. But in our industry, we also have a union so you could call your union rep. Call your agent. Call your manager. Call anybody. If it’s a crime, call the police. What’s wonderful about what’s happening right now in our culture is that I believe we’re creating a safer place for women and men who are being harassed to speak out. I hope that will continue. I hope we will continue in this direction of taking care of people who speak out. 

Most of the people that I’ve worked with and met in this industry, and I’ve been working now — you know working plus struggling — for 20 years, are good people and people of integrity. I’ve worked with more good people than bad people. While there are people who have been taking advantage of others, who have not been doing the right thing, I’m glad that we are weeding them out of the industry because there are a lot of good storytellers and creators and people to work with. 

How did you come to the decision of a no-nudity clause for yourself?  

Some people are very comfortable with nudity, and that's fine. I wasn’t. So I just didn't want to go to auditions that required it. When you do network television, there isn’t nudity. It’s just simply not allowed and that was really what I was aspiring to do, so I didn’t run into this problem. It wasn’t at odds with my ambition. But then when I started doing movies or maybe there was a cable show, and there’s a love scene or something is required, I stuck with that decision of no nudity and that just felt the most authentic thing for me. That is what made me most comfortable. 

I think that an actor just has to ask themselves, what makes you feel most safe? What makes you feel most expressed? What am I most comfortable with? And then do that thing. You might make a mistake! You might think, "I’m okay with nudity." And then you do a role with nudity and you realize, "Oh, guess what! I was wrong. I’m not okay with nudity."

How would you guide your readers in making a decision about their own nudity clauses?

There’re also different kinds of nudity on a set. Let’s say you have a scene where you have to step into a shower, well you might be almost nude in front of all the people on the crew. No nudity onscreen doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t be wearing something very revealing in order to get the shot. I had to ask myself, "Okay, well what am I even comfortable with doing off-screen? How do I ask for the things that make me feel comfortable?" I learned to ask for a closed set, which means there are no visitors allowed. No photography allowed. Only the people who are essential to shooting the material are allowed to be in the room. So instead of 50 people seeing you walk into the shower, it’s seven. Then I’m okay. Those are things where every actor has to ask themselves. 

I worked with actors who do not ask for a closed set. They don’t care! They’re not modest. I’m a more modest person. And all of it is okay. I think that would be my message. All of it’s okay. You’re not being difficult to ask for a closed set. You’re not being difficult if you say, ‘I don’t want to do a part where I even have to make out with someone who isn’t my spouse.’ That’s okay! You can be who you are, and be an actor. You don’t have to be someone else. You can advocate for yourself. Don’t let anyone feel like you can’t.

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LOS ANGELES, CA - JUNE 24: Actor Steve Carell attends the premiere of 'Despicable Me 3' at The Shrine Auditorium on June 24, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Jason LaVeris/FilmMagic)
LOS ANGELES, CA - JUNE 24: Actress Kristen Wiig and actor Steve Carell attend the premiere of 'Despicable Me 3' at The Shrine Auditorium on June 24, 2017 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Jason LaVeris/FilmMagic)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 21: Kristen Wiig and Steve Carell attend a photo call in London to celebrate the release of DESPICABLE ME 3 on June 30th at Corinthia Hotel London on June 21, 2017 in London, England. (Photo by Tristan Fewings/Getty Images for Universal Pictures UK)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 21: Actors Kristen Wiig (L) and Steve Carell attend the 'Despicable Me 3' photocall at Corinthia Hotel London on June 21, 2017 in London, England. (Photo by Dave J Hogan/Dave J Hogan/Getty Images)
Steve Carell attends 'Despicable Me 3' ('Mi Villano Favorito) photocall at Santo Mauro Hotel on June 20, 2017 in Madrid, Spain. (Photo by Oscar Gonzalez/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
BEVERLY HILLS, CA - JANUARY 08: In this handout photo provided by NBCUniversal, presenters Kristen Wiig (L) and Steve Carell onstage during the 74th Annual Golden Globe Awards at The Beverly Hilton Hotel on January 8, 2017 in Beverly Hills, California. (Photo by Paul Drinkwater/NBCUniversal via Getty Images)
LOS ANGELES, CA - MARCH 21: Steve Carell is seen at LAX on March 21, 2016 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by GVK/Bauer-Griffin/GC Images)
HOLLYWOOD, CA - FEBRUARY 28: Nancy Carell and Steve Carell attends the 88th Annual Academy Awards at Hollywood & Highland Center on February 28, 2016 in Hollywood, California. (Photo by Frazer Harrison/Getty Images)
BEVERLY HILLS, CA - JANUARY 08: Actor Steve Carell attends the 16th Annual AFI Awards at Four Seasons Hotel Los Angeles at Beverly Hills on January 8, 2016 in Beverly Hills, California. (Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images)
PASADENA, CA - JANUARY 07: Executive Producer Steve Carell speaks onstage during TBS's Angie Tribeca panel as part of the Turner Networks portion of This is Cable Television Critics Association Winter Tour at Langham Hotel on January 7, 2016 in Pasadena, California. (Photo by Frederick M. Brown/Getty Images)
HOLLYWOOD, CA - JANUARY 06: (L-R) Director Adam McKay and actors Steve Carell and Ryan Gosling attend Steve Carell being honored with a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on January 6, 2016 in Hollywood, California. (Photo by David Livingston/Getty Images)
HOLLYWOOD, CA - JANUARY 06: Actor Steve Carell attends his being honored with a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on January 6, 2016 in Hollywood, California. (Photo by David Livingston/Getty Images)
HOLLYWOOD, CA - JANUARY 06: Actor Steve Carell attends his being honored with a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on January 6, 2016 in Hollywood, California. (Photo by David Livingston/Getty Images)
Actor Steve Carell arrives at the 27th Annual Palm Springs International Film Festival Awards Gala at Palm Springs Convention Center on January 02, 2016 in Palm Springs, California. (Photo by Barry King/Getty Images)
PALM SPRINGS, CA - JANUARY 02: Actors Finn Wittrock, Steve Carell and Ben Mendelsohn attend the 27th Annual Palm Springs International Film Festival Awards Gala After Party at the Parker Palm Springs on January 2, 2016 in Palm Springs, California. (Photo by Jason Kempin/Getty Images for PSIFF)
NEW YORK, NY - NOVEMBER 23: Steve Carell attends 'The Big Short' New York premiere at Ziegfeld Theater on November 23, 2015 in New York City. (Photo by Andrew Toth/FilmMagic)
HOLLYWOOD, CA - NOVEMBER 12: Actor Steve Carell and wife Nancy Carell arrive at the AFI FEST 2015 Presented By Audi Closing Night Gala Premiere of Paramount Pictures' 'The Big Short' at TCL Chinese 6 Theatres on November 12, 2015 in Hollywood, California. (Photo by Axelle/Bauer-Griffin/FilmMagic)
BEVERLY HILLS, CA - NOVEMBER 01: Director Adam McKay (R), winner of the Hollywood Breakthrough Director Award for 'The Big Short', and actor Steve Carell pose in the press room during the 19th Annual Hollywood Film Awards at The Beverly Hilton Hotel on November 1, 2015 in Beverly Hills, California. (Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images)
BEVERLY HILLS, CA - NOVEMBER 01: (EDITORS NOTE: THIS IMAGE WAS PROCESSED USING DIGITAL FILTERS) Actor Steve Carell attends the 19th Annual Hollywood Film Awards at The Beverly Hilton Hotel on November 1, 2015 in Beverly Hills, California. (Photo by Mike Windle/HFA2015/Getty Images for dcp)
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You write that this book could have been called ‘Struggle, Struggle, Cry, Think-You-Should-Give-Up, Work, Repeat.’ What are your expectations for your career now? How would you say your career goals have evolved since becoming a wife and a mom? 

I’m very pragmatic about my work choices now. I really balance my ambition as an actress with my ambition as a parent, and I know a lot of people when they become parents they make different choices in their jobs. This is a lesson I learned from my dad. He turned down a lot of work opportunities that would have taken the family on the road or meant that we were moving all the time. He thwarted some of his work achievements and set his ego aside in favor of creating a stability for the family, and I can’t tell you how much I appreciate and admire him for doing that. So I want to emulate that in my life. I want to be making choices that continue, even though this is a crazy business, to create stability and consistency in my children’s lives. So, I don’t take jobs that require me to be gone or require them to move and go to a new school. That means that there are fewer jobs that I’m eligible for because of my own rules. 

Fischer’s book is available now via paperback and Kindle. 

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