Oscar-winning director Davis Guggenheim talks about making 'He Named Me Malala'

Davis Guggenheim on Malala's Mission


Academy Award-winning filmmaker Davis Guggenheim was initially hesitant about tackling Malala Yousafzai's famous story for his latest documentary. Upon further investigation of his latest subject, though, the father of three recognized emotional elements to her and her father's journey that he couldn't ignore.

With "He Named Me Malala," Guggenheim -- who previously directed such lauded films as "An Inconvenient Truth" and "Waiting for 'Superman'" -- wanted to show that in addition to being an incredible, rare young leader, Yousafzai is also a relatable, normal teenage girl. That message was especially important when he considered his two daughters.

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"He Named Me Malala" already had its run in theaters, but new audiences will get a chance to see the extraordinarily powerful film on Monday night when it makes it television premiere on the National Geographic Channel at 8 p.m. EST.

We talked to Guggenheim about his experience filming "He Named Me Malala" and what he learned about Malala (and himself) during the process.

Check out our full conversation with Davis Guggenheim below:

You've covered a lot of huge topics in your past films, and "He Named Me Malala" was no different in that regard. What got you initially interested in telling Malala's story?

Originally I was like, "Is that a world I want to think about?" And I didn't really want to travel. I was being selfish. When I read more about their story, though, I realized there was this sort of inspirational father-daughter theme to it, and I have two daughters, so I really wanted to learn what it was that this man in Pakistan did to make his daughter feel so powerful, because I struggle with that myself: How to help my daughters navigate this complicated world.

Was it difficult to get them to sign on to do the film?

It's interesting because everyone and their mother asks them to make a documentary, and I was the only one that they chose. So they were very picky about it. But then, once I started filming, they really let me in. I've never had any subject of any documentary let me in as much as they did. They opened their home to me, and they really opened their hearts. It was very powerful.

As a viewer, that came across very clearly: Some of the film's most memorable moments were when we saw Malala and her family in their home. Was it important for you to show that side of her?

Yeah, because I think a lot of people who know their story think, "She's so incredible, but I could never be her." And having a teenage daughter, I didn't want them to feel like they could never be Malala. I want my daughters to feel like they could be Malala. And if you're going to do that, you have to show that she's also just a teenage girl with the same hopes, desires, dreams and foibles that any girl has.

What were the main questions you were trying to answer with this film?

I always want my movies to be very personal. So, beyond all of the obvious things that the movie addresses -- like why did she stand up to the Taliban, what it's like to be Muslim -- all of these big things. In the end, it was, "How do I get to know this girl and help the audience get to know her and her family the way that I know them?"

In a way, it demystifies them. To many people, the culture of Pakistan is very mysterious. Many people in the West don't understand it to the point that it can be kind of dangerous. We tend to think about cultures that we don't understand in a one-dimensional way. I really did imagine a teenage girl from, you know, L.A. or Japan or Germany, watching this movie and thinking, "I understand her. I'm inspired by her, even beyond the political stuff."

Malala is such an important figure in our world and is, as you said, a source of inspiration for so many people. Did you feel any pressure in the telling of her story?

I felt an internal, personal pressure to get her story right. The minute I met her, I felt like she was so extraordinary and rare -- someone who's strong and articulate and almost died and has something really important and spiritual to tell us. If I screwed up, I would've screwed up forever. There was pressure on me to get it right.

Sometimes you meet someone and you're taken by them -- in a good or bad way -- but it doesn't necessarily come across in your work. You have to find a way to have people see and feel what you see and feel as a director.

Definitely. Something that really helped me understand the message and feeling of the film were the animated illustrations that you interspersed throughout.

The choice to do animation was a big breakthrough for me. A lot of that decision had to do with the ways in which Pakistan and the greater Muslim world has been portrayed in the media. In news coverage, it's grainy pictures of men with beards. But the way that Malala and her father were describing their lives produced a sense of paradise, but also of paradise lost. They had this paradise and then they didn't. If we had missed that part, then we would've missed a huge dimension of the story.

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Nobel Peace Prize 2014 laureates Pakistan's Malala Yousafzai gives the V-sign as she waves to well-wishers from the balcony of the Grand Hotel ahead of the Nobel Banquet following the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony in Oslo on December 10, 2014. The 17-year-old Pakistani girls' education activist Malala Yousafzai known as Malala shares the 2014 peace prize with the Indian campaigner Kailash Satyarthi, 60, who has fought for 35 years to free thousands of children from virtual slave labour. AFP PHOTO / VEGARD WIVESTAD GROTT (Photo credit should read VEGARD WIVESTAD GROTT/AFP/Getty Images)
Nobel Peace Prize laureate Malala Yousafzai speaks at a joint press conference with fellow laureate and Norwegian Prime minister after their meeting at the PM's office in Oslo on December 11, 2014. At 17-years old, the Pakistani known everywhere as Malala is the youngest ever recipient of the prize she is sharing with the Indian campaigner Kailash Satyarthi, 60, who has fought for 35 years to free thousands of children from virtual slave labour. Their pairing has the extra symbolism of linking neighbouring countries that have been in conflict for decades. AFP PHOTO / ODD ANDERSEN (Photo credit should read ODD ANDERSEN/AFP/Getty Images)
OSLO, NORWAY - DECEMBER 10: Malala Yousafzai. delivers her acceptance speech to the audience during the Nobel Peace Prize Award ceremony at Oslo City Town on December 10, 2014 in Oslo, Norway. (Photo by Nigel Waldron/Getty Images)
Pakistani activist for female education Malala Yousafzai attends a press conference ahead of the award ceremony for the 2014 World's Children Prize for the Rights of the Child at Gripsholm Castle in Mariefred, west of Stockholm, on October 29, 2014. AFP PHOTO / JONATHAN NACKSTRAND (Photo credit should read JONATHAN NACKSTRAND/AFP/Getty Images)
PHILADELPHIA, PA - OCTOBER 21: Pakistani activist Malala Yousafzai (L), 17-years-old, receives the 2014 Liberty Medal from Jeffrey Rosen, President and CEO of the National Constitution Center October 21, 2014 at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Given annually, the medal honors men and women of courage and conviction who strive to secure the blessings of liberty to people around the globe. (Photo by William Thomas Cain/Getty Images)
Pakistani rights activist Malala Yousafzai holds bouquets of flowers after addressing the media in Birmingham, central England on October 10, 2014. The Nobel Peace Prize went Friday to 17-year-old Pakistani Malala Yousafzai and India's Kailash Satyarthi for their work promoting children's rights. Seventeen-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai said she was 'honoured' to be the first Pakistani and the youngest person to be given the award and dedicated the award to the 'voiceless'. 'This award is for all those children who are voiceless, whose voices need to be heard,' she said. AFP PHOTO / OLI SCARFF (Photo credit should read OLI SCARFF/AFP/Getty Images)
BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND - OCTOBER 10: Malala Yousafzai speaks during a press conference at the Library of Birmingham after being announced as a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, on October 10, 2014 in Birmingham, England. The 17-year-old Pakistani campaigner, who lives in Britain where she received medical treatment following an assassination attempt by the Taliban in 2012, was jointly awarded the Nobel peace prize with Kailash Satyarthi from India. Chair of the Nobel Committee Thorbjorn Jagland made the announcement in Oslo, commending Malala for her 'heroic struggle' as a spokesperson for girls' rights to education. (Photo by Christopher Furlong/Getty Images)
Pakistani activist for female education Malala Yousafzai attends a press conference ahead of the award ceremony for the 2014 World's Children Prize for the Rights of the Child at Gripsholm Castle in Mariefred, west of Stockholm, on October 29, 2014. AFP PHOTO / JONATHAN NACKSTRAND (Photo credit should read JONATHAN NACKSTRAND/AFP/Getty Images)
Pakistani activist for female education and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Malala Yousafzai sits before receiving the 2014 World's Children Prize for the Rights of the Child during an award ceremony at Gripsholm Castle in Mariefred, western Stockholm on October 29, 2014. AFP PHOTO / JONATHAN NACKSTRAND (Photo credit should read JONATHAN NACKSTRAND/AFP/Getty Images)
ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN - OCTOBER 10 : The biography of Nobel Peace Prize Winner Malala Yousafzai's 'I Am Malala' is seen at a bookstore in Islamabad, Pakistan on October 10, 2014. Pakistani teenager who was shot in the head by the Taliban in 2012 becomes the youngest ever winner of the Nobel Peace Prize. (Photo by Muhammad Reza/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - AUGUST 19: Malala Yousafzai attends TimesTalks Presents: I Am Malala at The French Institute on August 19, 2014 in New York City. (Photo by Monica Schipper/Getty Images)
PORT OF SPAIN, TRINIDAD - JULY 30: Education rights activist and Nobel Peace Prize nominee Malala Yousafzai of Pakistan delivers a speech at the National Academy for the Performing Arts on July 30, 2014 in Port of Spain, Trinidad. (Photo by Sean Drakes/LatinContent/Getty Images)
HUERTH, GERMANY - DECEMBER 01: Malala Yousafzai speaks during the '2013! Menschen, Bilder, Emotionen' - RTL-Jahresrueckblick on December 1, 2013 in Huerth near Cologne, Germany. (Photo by Andreas Rentz/Getty Images)
Malala Yousafzai, a Pakistani student who was shot in the head by the Pakistani Taliban applauds after being awarded with the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought, on November 20, 2013 at the European Parliament in Strasbourg, eastern France. The Sakharov Prize , named after Soviet scientist and dissident Andrei Sakharov, was established by the European Parliament as a means to honour individuals or organisations who have dedicated their lives to the defence of human rights and freedom of thought. AFP PHOTO/ PATRICK HERTZOG (Photo credit should read PATRICK HERTZOG/AFP/Getty Images)
This video grab taken on November 7, 2013, shows Asmatullah Shaheen (R) caretaker chief Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) announcing the new leader of TTP during a press conference in an undisclosed location in northwest Pakistan. The Pakistani Taliban appointed a hardline cleric linked to the attack on Malala Yousafzai as their new chief on November 7, throwing proposed peace talks with the government into serious doubt. Maulana Fazlullah, elected by the Taliban's supreme council, led the militants' brutal two-year rule in Pakistan's northwest valley of Swat in 2007-2009, before a military operation retook the area. AFP PHOTO/THIR KHAN (Photo credit should read THIR KHAN/AFP/Getty Images)
NEW YORK, NY - OCTOBER 24: General view of the atmosphere at the third annual Pencils of Promise gala at Guastavino's on October 24, 2013 in New York City. (Photo by Mike Coppola/Getty Images for Pencils of Promise)

What did you learn from Malala during the process?

She's 18 now, but I met her when she was 15 -- and I was 50. A lot of times I felt like the immature person in the room. Not because she's like Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King -- though, in some ways she does have those same qualities -- but because she has such poise, presence and inner strength. She's not afraid to speak her mind or to speak the truth.

Something that Islam teaches her is that it's important to tell the truth and be honest. Sometimes in Western culture you can hide the truth to be polite, but she is always very direct and truthful. That's very important to her, and I like that about her.

Did anything surprise you about the filmmaking process this time around?

I'm a Jewish guy form Los Angeles spending time with a Pakistani family, so there are a lot of cultural differences. At one point, her father grabbed my hair to ask if it was real. He had never seen hair like mine. But I had also never eaten at a table using my hands. There were so many cultural differences that took a little while to become comfortable. What I would say is that they were much more free to understand and be accepting of my culture than I was of theirs. I thought it would be the opposite, but they were much more worldly and tolerant than I was.

It's almost cliché to say it, but we forget all the time that telling stories connects us to other people. It opens your minds to another culture. When we're not exposed to people's stories, our minds close, and we become more fearful of other cultures. That's perhaps the most important reason to watch this movie: It opens you up to another beautiful culture.

And now you're partnering with the National Geographic Channel to spread the film's message to an even broader audience. How does it feel to know that even more people will see this film?

The reach that National Geographic has is incredible. They're in 190 countries. That's my dream -- for the world to see this movie I made and hear the story we're telling. It's a huge deal.

What did you think about the skepticism about her father's influence on her message?

I had the skepticism myself before I met them. When you read the story, you think, "How much did the father have to do with her success?" It's a natural question that anyone would have. I put that question in people's minds with the title itself. It was very important.

I like to provoke the question and then have the audience try to figure it out when they watch it, because it's such a complex question.

Something that was interesting to me was that Malala's mother didn't seem to be nearly as involved in her life as her father was. How did you go about including the mother in the film?

Every screening and interview I do, people ask about Malala's mother because she's not on camera as much. You feel like her disappearing in the movie and that did sort of happen at the beginning. Over time, though, she became more comfortable.

It simple: She's the most traditional person in the family. For her, being on camera could be taken as being immodest. But she saw the movie, and she's very proud of it.

What's next for you? Any big topics that you have your eye on?

My son says I'm a complainer for a living, because I make movies that complain about everything; I make movies about problems in the world. But I actually disagree with him, though. I make movies about things that inspire me and get me excited or angry. I want to make things that I almost have no choice but to make.

Making "Malala" was one of the most special experience of my life. When you come off a movie that's so special, you have to really take some time to figure out what the next one will be. We'll see.

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