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Monitors try to secure Ukraine plane crash site

Associated Press

HRABOVE, Ukraine (AP) - International monitors moved gingerly Saturday through fields reeking of the decomposing corpses that fell from a Malaysian airliner shot down over rebel-held eastern Ukraine, trying to secure the sprawling site in hopes that a credible investigation can be conducted.

But before inspectors ever reach the scene, doubts arose about whether evidence was being compromised.

The Ukrainian government and separatist rebels accuse each other of firing a surface-to-air missile at the Boeing 777 with almost 300 people aboard. Many see the hand of Russia, either for its suspected support of the insurgents or perhaps for firing the missile itself.

The latest U.S. intelligence assessment suggests that more than one missile system was provided to the separatists by the Russians in the last week or so, a U.S. official said Saturday.

While there is not 100 percent certainty, the official told The Associated Press, "more and more there is the general belief that the systems were provided by the Russians."

Officials Fear MH17 Site Now Tampered by Rebels

The official said it's not entirely clear if the separatists just received the missile systems or if they had them for a short time and only in recent days were trained or able to operate them. The official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

The government in Kiev said militiamen had removed 38 bodies from the crash site near the Russian border and taken them to the rebel-held city of Donetsk. It said the remains were transported with help from specialists with distinct Russian accents.

The rebels are also "seeking large transports to carry away plane fragments to Russia," the Ukrainian government said Saturday.

In Donetsk, separatist leader Alexander Borodai denied that any bodies had been transferred or that the rebels had in any way interfered with the work of observers. He said he encouraged the involvement of the international community in assisting with the cleanup before the bodies deteriorate further.

Ukraine called on Moscow to insist that the pro-Russia rebels grant international experts the ability to conduct a thorough, impartial investigation into the downing of the plane, echoing a demand that President Barack Obama issued a day earlier from Washington.

The jet flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur carried 298 passengers and crew from 13 countries. More than half were Dutch.

On Saturday, in the village of Hrabove, one body was seen still strapped into an airline seat, with bare toes peeking out under long jeans. Another body was flung face-up into a field of blue flowers.

Treatment of the victims' remains, left in the open air under a hot summer sun punctuated by bursts of rain, provoked outrage and distress.

"The news we got today of the bodies being dragged around, of the site not being treated properly, has really created a shock in the Netherlands," Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans told the Ukrainian president in Kiev. "People are angry, are furious at what they hear."

Timmermans demanded the culprits be found.

"Once we have the proof, we will not stop until the people are brought to justice," he said.

An angry Dutch prime minister told reporters Saturday that he was "shocked by images of completely disrespectful behavior" of rebels picking through the wreckage and personal belongings of victims at the crash scene. Mark Rutte said he had an "extremely intense" telephone conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin in which he urged Putin to "show the world he intends to help" in the investigation.

The U.S. State Department said it was deeply concerned that the separatists' had refused to allow monitors safe and unfettered access to the crash site. Spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the monitors were allowed 75 minutes at the site Friday and less than three hours Saturday. She said noted e reports about bodies being removed, debris taken away, and potential evidence tampered with.

"This is unacceptable and an affront to all those who lost loved ones and to the dignity the victims deserve," Psaki said in a statement.

Putin and German Chancellor Angela Merkel agreed Saturday in a phone call that an independent commission led by the International Civil Aviation Organization should be granted swift access to the crash site, according to the German government and the Kremlin.

The commission should examine the circumstances of the crash and recover the victims, German government spokesman Georg Streiter said.

Russia has "a key role to play" through its influence on the separatists, "and the world's eyes will be on Russia to see that she delivers on her obligations," British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said.

In the Netherlands, forensic teams fanned out across the country Saturday to collect material, including DNA samples, which will help identify the remains of the 192 Dutch victims.

Police said in a tweet that 40 pairs of detectives from the National Forensic Investigations Team would be visiting victims' relatives over the coming days.

The location of the black boxes remains a mystery, and the separatist leadership insisted Saturday that it had not located them.

The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe's monitoring mission in Ukraine, which has a 24-member delegation that was given limited access to the crash site, said it too had received no information on the boxes' whereabouts, according to a spokesman.

Aviation experts say, however, not to expect too much from the flight data and cockpit voice recorders in understanding how Flight 17 was brought down.

The most useful evidence that's likely to come from the crash scene is whether missile pieces can be found in the trail of debris that came down as the plane exploded, said John Goglia, a U.S. aviation safety expert and former National Transportation Safety Board member.

The operation of Flight 17 does not appear to be an issue, he said.

At a U.N. Security Council on Friday, the U.S. pointed blame at the separatists, saying Washington believes the jetliner was probably downed by an SA-11 missile and "we cannot rule out technical assistance from Russian personnel."

According to U.S. officials, American intelligence analysts are still going over data to determine more precisely who fired the missile and where the attackers got the SA-11 surface-to-air system.

Analysts would likely be reviewing sensor and radar data and possibly satellite imagery from around the time of the strike, as well as from previous days. Although both Russian and Ukraine have the systems in their weapons inventory, U.S. officials have said they do not believe the Ukrainian government had any of the SA-11s in that region.

Instead, analysts are looking more closely at whether Russian backers gave the missile launcher to the separatists and moved it across the border into Ukraine, or if this was something captured by rebels from the Ukrainian military.

Malaysia Airlines, meanwhile, said Saturday it has no immediate plans to fly victims' relatives to the crash site in Ukraine because of security concerns.

A spokesman for the airline says next of kin are being cared for in Amsterdam while a team from the carrier, including security officials, was in Ukraine assessing the situation.

More on MH17:
Obama: Plane shot down by missile, 1 American dead
Bodies rained down on Ukraine village after plane disaster
Fidel Castro: Ukraine to blame for downed airliner
Malaysia Airlines crash kills hundreds from nuns to AIDS experts
Confusion over whether Malaysia black boxes found
Woman loses relatives in 2 Malaysia air disasters
Dutch flags at half-staff as nation mourns crash

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rh1216 July 19 2014 at 2:59 PM

Too bad the IRS could not handle this...all evidence would be gone in a flash....

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gldes40 July 19 2014 at 2:51 PM

Israel..please dont listen to obamas critiscism...hes been so wrong on so many issues this past 2 years...please do what you must to protect your citizens!!!!

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trimmerbird July 19 2014 at 2:45 PM

Should've invaded Russia towards end of WW2 like patton wanted to do.

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Dave July 19 2014 at 2:59 PM

Everything will be all right as soon as Obama issues a "Stern Warning" and takes another golf vacation. That's his answer to all our problems. We have such a wonderful president

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mdmmignon July 19 2014 at 2:53 PM

And for the past ten weeks on the news Obuma was preparing for fundraising? Will Susan Rice tell us all tomorrow morning? Perhaps Valerie Jarrett has been advising Obuma who brought this all down by this total ineptitude.

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vietnamvet1967 July 19 2014 at 3:03 PM

Outrage all you want, They know nothing will happen, the world is too Chicken anymore, and they know it, seems these countries, and the USA want to investigate, hold meetings, etc, etc, they are the Joke, not the Rebels

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Daniel vietnamvet1967 July 19 2014 at 4:27 PM

The world is chicken when we don't have a leader in the White House.

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retainsequity vietnamvet1967 July 19 2014 at 4:46 PM

Chicken = lawyer.

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John retainsequity July 19 2014 at 6:15 PM

As the old guy on TV show says: "Only thing worse than a lawyer is a child molester.".

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Sparky5229 July 19 2014 at 3:09 PM

these people are nothing but scum ,and could care less about the dead people ,and do you think putin gives a rats ass

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bluetoolpro July 19 2014 at 2:54 PM

what did you people expect to happen, did you think a guy named ivan was going to great you and say , the bodies have all been tagged and put on ice all personnel belonging have been put in containers for shipping , and to save you guys some time the pieces that show where the missile struck the plane are over here

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Sparky5229 July 19 2014 at 3:16 PM

Putin is just another stalin ,life means nothing to him .

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Brad Sparky5229 July 19 2014 at 6:43 PM

Are you sure you don't mean Hitler type person?

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bbh907 Brad July 19 2014 at 7:40 PM

Stalin,Hitler,six of one half a dozen of another! Brush up on your history!

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patric9956 Sparky5229 July 20 2014 at 7:16 AM

No Brad stalin probably killed more than Hitler in his pogroms during the 30's and then through his famines through the failed collective farming later on - Stalin is a good analogy.

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davandsher July 19 2014 at 3:21 PM

Before the Democrats start placing blame on anyone, Why don't we get all of the FACTS.

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Joanne Marino davandsher July 19 2014 at 4:07 PM

What an ignorant comment. And notice I did not make it personal.

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FlyerHockeyPride davandsher July 19 2014 at 8:35 PM

The Democrats are too busy shoving the gay agenda AND lifestyle down our throats to bother to worry about getting something as simple as facts! :-(

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