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MLK discusses Kennedy in rediscovered 1960 tape

King on Kennedy

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - As the nation reflects on the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr., an audiotape of an interview with the civil rights leader discovered in a Tennessee attic sheds new light on a famous phone call John F. Kennedy made to King's wife more than 50 years ago.

Historians generally agree that Kennedy's phone call to Coretta Scott King expressing concern over her husband's arrest in October 1960 - and Robert Kennedy's work behind the scenes to get King released - helped JFK win the White House that fall.

King himself, while appreciative, wasn't as quick to credit the Kennedys alone with getting him out of jail, according to a previously unreleased portion of the interview with the civil rights leader days after Kennedy's election.

"The Kennedy family did have some part ... in the release," King says in the recording, which was discovered in 2012. "But I must make it clear that many other forces worked to bring it about also."

A copy of the original recording will be played for visitors at the National Civil Rights Museum in Memphis for a "King Day" event on Jan. 20.

King was arrested a few weeks before the presidential election at an Atlanta sit-in. Charges were dropped, but King was held for allegedly violating probation for an earlier traffic offense and transferred to the Georgia State Prison in Reidsville, Ga.

The Kennedys intervened, and King was released. Their intervention won the support of black voters who helped give Kennedy the winning edge in several key states.

Despite their help, however, King was careful not to give them too much credit.

"I think Dr. King was aware in the tape that he probably did more for John F. Kennedy than perhaps John F. Kennedy did for him," said Keya Morgan, a New York-based collector and expert on historical artifacts. Morgan acquired the reel-to-reel audiotape from Chattanooga, Tenn., resident Stephon Tull, who discovered it while cleaning out his father's attic.

Raymond Winbush, director of the Institute for Urban Research at Maryland's Morgan State University, said Kennedy's call to King's wife was political in nature because the Kennedys had been slow to get involved in the civil rights movement.

He said John Kennedy didn't actually commit to the movement until a few months before his assassination when civil rights leader Medgar Evers was gunned down by a Klansman outside his Jackson, Miss., home just after midnight on June 12, 1963.

The slaying came hours after JFK's television speech in support of civil rights and helped propel the struggle for equality to national attention.

"There were a lot of black folks who ... weren't fully committed to his campaign," said Winbush, who is also a historian and psychologist. "That call he made to Coretta moved black folks."

He said King's comments on the tape were measured because he probably didn't want to offend black supporters, like the NAACP, that had also aided him.

"He kind of went in the middle," Winbush said.

Tull, the Chattanooga man who discovered the tape, said his father had planned to write a book about the racism he encountered growing up in Chattanooga and later as an adult. Tull said his dad, an insurance salesman, interviewed King when he visited the city, but never completed the book and just stored the recording with some other interviews he had done. Tull's father is now in his late 80s and under hospice care. Tull has asked that his father not be identified.

In the recording, King also discusses his definition of nonviolence, his visit to Africa and the impact of the civil rights movement.

"I am convinced that when the history books are written in future years, historians will have to record this movement as one of the greatest epochs of our heritage," he said.

After Morgan acquired the tape, he sold it to magician David Copperfield, who then donated it to the National Civil Rights Museum to promote King's message of nonviolence.

Copperfield said King inspired people to dream.

"That's too important for one person to possess," Copperfield said of the recording. "You have to share that with people to remind as many people as possible of the message."

Barbara Andrews, the museum's director of education, said she's pleased the museum's visitors will get a chance to hear the recording, which will be among the exhibits at the newly-renovated facility scheduled to fully open in April.

"It's so powerful for us to be able to hear Dr. King in his own words again so many years after his death," Andrews said. "And I think for our visitors to be able to hear him say these words again will resonate in ... a way that we could not convey third person."



National Civil Rights Museum: http://www.civilrightsmuseum.org/

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tropicalriderceo January 19 2014 at 2:28 PM

as I recall, Lincoln didn't come to the freedom movement until much later as well. I think it's less about the amount of time they took to get onboard as it is about the fact that they both went against mainstream thinking to get onboard at all. Awareness and common sense, even coming late to the party...is precious and should not be dismissed by a clock..

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zzyxx January 20 2014 at 2:01 AM

kennedy/s old man didnt like blacks

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hattie54 January 19 2014 at 3:58 PM

Sad that they never lived to see their cute granddaughter Yolanda.Also they would be saddened that their children were ad odds over things.

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deany_johandsome January 25 2014 at 7:29 AM

wow u learn something everyday interesting article

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Lettybits January 19 2014 at 4:18 PM


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ColoMtnLvr January 19 2014 at 10:57 PM

I'm just glad to have the day off !

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energymatt ColoMtnLvr January 19 2014 at 11:00 PM

Have a good day, and reflect on the life of a man who loved freedom for everyone, and lived and died in defense of freedom and equality....

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Calvin ColoMtnLvr January 20 2014 at 12:17 AM

It must be sad to be you.

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hemingweisau January 19 2014 at 10:52 PM

The value of the tape, from my perspective, is the lucidity of the participants at the time on the exchanges of favors they were willing to extend in the situations that were given. Having lived in the Piedmont in the late 60s and Texas in the early 70s, for Kennedy to intervene in Georgia was both masterful and dangerous for the number of whites it would have alienated. As Copperfield said, King inspired people to dream. It is the dreaming that keeps us going, whether it is the hudie in China or the papillon in Brazil, the mythical symbols of dreaming. People who focus on their dream tend to be hopeful; those who only have accountability on the past tend to be full of regrets.

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Josh January 19 2014 at 10:51 PM

Both JFK & MLK were Players !!

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Amicus January 19 2014 at 7:51 PM

This should be interesting. I can hardly wait to hear it. Kudos to David Copperfield for his appreciation of the historical value and for his generodty in donating the tape to the museum.

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miojohol January 19 2014 at 7:41 PM

You know, racism has been going on for thousands of years, people only see the small picture. If they were to look in their history books they would see this. Unfortunately, hate will go on forever, bigotry will also go on forever. Once in a while you will see a ray of sunshine in this hateful war called racism but until all of this gets settled I think mankind will be gone.

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